Saturday, March 14, 2009

Steele and the GOP- No Reason for Victory

The name of Abraham Lincoln is used and abused a good deal these days. Despite his overt rejection of the principles Lincoln strove to preserve, Obama has tried to portray himself as Lincoln's heir (probably to make up for his lack of any real connection to the heritage that includes the struggle against slavery, so important in the background of the black Americans his media claque claims he represents.) On the other hand, conservatives who adhere to the mobocratic version of states' rights (some of whom I encountered among Ron Paul's supporters in the Constitution Party) practically demonize Lincoln as the original destroyer of American Federalism. In their different ways I think both Obama and the mob rule states' rights adherents simply ignore the aspect of Lincoln's statesmanship that has always impressed me the most. Though not educated in any formal sense, he was perhaps the most profound thinker ever to participate in American politics. Certainly he was the most thoughtful man to serve as President (with proper respect and apologies to Thomas Jefferson and J. Q. Adams.)

The key to my judgment in this regard is not just what he said, but the way he presented it. All of his memorable addresses bear the hallmark of true eloquence. They are not just moving phrases but each presents an argument that appeals to common sense, that moves and seeks to persuade the reasonable mind. As I recall his biography, the foundation of this characteristic in his speeches was probably his study of Euclid's geometry. Geometric reasoning develops the faculty of mind that retains a clear grasp of first principles through all the twists and turns of subsequent reflection. This faculty led to the insights on which republican, constitutional self-government is based and it is indispensable for the preservation of liberty.

Perhaps the clearest symptom of liberty's impending demise is the almost complete absence of such reasoning from the speeches, and apparently from the thinking, of contemporary American politicians. Controversies swirl over their declarations of support for this or that opinion, without regard to any reasoning that supports their declamations or relates them to the basic premises that make sense of our still assumed claim to unalienable rights and the form of government that limits its power on account of them.

I was reminded of this deficiency as I perused, and in some cases responded to, some of the reactions to my last posting about Michael Steele's abandonment of the pro-life cause. Some people simply can't understand how I dared to question his adamant declarations of pro-life conviction. They seemed to think that I was engaging in some kind of personal attack against him, questioning the honesty and sincerity of his commitment. It seems never to have occurred to them that it's possibleto say with sincerity things that make no sense. I presented reasoning in support of the view that Steele's often repeated views contradict his claim to be pro-life. But in their reaction to what I wrote these critics took no account of the reasoning. They made no attempt to deal with or respond to its logic.

But it might be said of logic what Leon Trotsky is supposed to have said of strategy (or was it war?) You may not be interested in it, but it is interested in you. Ignore it, and you will still suffer its consequences. In this case though Steele's defenders ignore it, the pro-life cause will suffer the consequences. Except as a matter of easily defused or circumvented sentiment, the stand against abortion makes no sense without an appeal to the principles of justice on which the United States of America was founded. Though in its most extreme forms (such as the live birth abortion procedure) it offends aesthetic sensibilities, its ugliness can be camouflaged without too much difficulty, and its ugliest consequences (connected with declining respect for the mysterious subjective worth of human life) may not appear in their truly most repugnant form for one or more generations. Thus even at the sentimental level, reasoning is required to argue the pro-life position. But at this level, since they must argue on behalf human life in it most rudimentary and least recognizable form, against the articulate fear, anguish and pride of fully developed people, pro-life proponents probably face a losing battle. It reminds me of the statement Tocqueville made about the difficulty of arguing justice for enslaved blacks when other Americans were accustomed to see their physical appearance as repulsive and barely human. However false, the perceptions of prejudice have real consequences.

In the American context the antidote to this prejudiced sensibility involved the mobilization of reason and common sense based on the appeal to just principles of liberty. The political effectiveness of this appeal depended on the respect people had for reasonable argument, and on their emotional attachment to what they rightly perceived as the blessings of liberty. Neither can simply be taken for granted. It's hard to imagine that Lincoln's statesmanship would have succeeded had the eloquence of someone like Daniel Webster (ironically arguing in apparent support of forbearance in dealing with the slave states) not roused and cemented the sense that liberty and union were wedded and bound together, one and inseparable.

If they bother to acknowledge that it has any place in politics at all, today's politicians generally treat the work of preserving our attachment to liberty and justice as a secondary matter. Yet when the emotional attachment to these real though abstract goods shrivels away, what is left to do battle against the strong passions of lust, greed and selfish interest which move people to trample on those whose appearance, unpopularity or material condition make them contemptible in the eyes of the majority, or of self-serving elites acting in its name? Many Republicans still claim that their Party's principles embrace the idea of limited government. But they blindly follow leaders like Steele who do not remember the limitation that ultimately matters most: the sense of justice and decency, grounded in reason, common sense and emotional conviction, that stands in the path of the mobocratic impulse, whether it seeks to despoil the rich or murder the poorly regarded.

I believe that there are times when the need to remember and articulate this limitation becomes the paramount task of American politics. Every aspect of the crisis we are in suggests that we are living through such a period. Some say our economic crisis is the greatest challenge we face. But isn't it rooted in our willingness to crush the welfare of our posterity with a burden of unlimited debt, in order to serve our own ambitions? Isn't this an aspect of the same ruthless selfishness that moves us to pretend that it's right physically to sacrifice our offspring everyday in the womb? In the past people died for the sake of offspring that had no life except in their heart's imagination. Today our living children die for the sake of a generation that seems to have no heart except to pursue its present vain imaginings. With the greatest chance any people ever had to secure a strong foundation for future human justice and dignity, we stand on the brink of losing all such hopes because we haven't the patience to think through and act upon the principles on which they depend.

Isn't this our greatest crisis? Do you really believe we can withstand it behind leaders who will not truly acknowledge its existence? Michael Steele says that his job is to work for his Party's victory. What good are Party victories if they are gained by casting aside the discipline, heart and spirit of our present and future liberty? I know that conservatives want to thwart Obama's marxist schemes. I share that goal. But I will not join with people who are seeking to defeat one false hope with another. Rather I think we should have the courage to understand and articulate the real hope, the moral hope that our nation is supposed to represent. Then, trusting in the strength that it bestows, we will be able to do what Americans have done before- against all odds we will conserve our freedom for new generations to come.

14 comments:

FulghumInk said...

My niece is married to a first term Congressman. He and I have had some "knock down drag out" discussions over these, and other issues. He is a liberal, and I am a conservative. Having said that, let me say that he, and his fellow liberals are happy about Michael Steele's new found postition with the RNC. They know that his "moderate" model will be extremely helpful for the liberal agenda. It must be noted that my neice's husband voted for the "Pig Slop" package. At first, he voted against it, then he voted for it.

Allen
Pinehurst, NC USA

Terry Morris said...

Dr. Keyes,

Isn't it that there's a reciprocal responsibility between the governing spheres (federal, state, local) to protect life against the abuses of the others when they occur? And isn't this only possible when there's a proper balance exercised between them? The federal government, as it exists now, has the power to force compliance with federal abortion policy on the individual states. How can that ever be proper?

chiu_chunling said...

I find myself disturbed by the intuition that, in order to return our society to a condition in which reasoned argument predominates, we have no option other than to find a way to counteract or restrict those forms of media which are most apt to the dissemination of irrational appeals to raw emotion.

Lincoln had the luxury of relying on reason because his words (as well as those of his opponents) were spread primarily though the print media. The considered activity of reading ideas spelled out in black and white print involves a mandatory consideration of the words themselves, the syntax which relates each word to its fellows, the logical relation of each statement to others. It is telling to remember that Lincoln was considered relatively lacking as an orator, despite the recognition we accord his speeches.

Perhaps the tendency (evident throughout the internet) to respond, not to what a person has written, but to the presumed position that has been entertained, is a reflection of very real illiteracy. It may not be that detractors do not merely wish to avoid Dr. Keyes' reasoning, but that they have become too mentally lazy to actually parse what has been written.

But if this is indeed the case, if the advance of communications technology has led to a fundamental breakdown in our ability as a people to communicate complex thought, what measures can offer any hope of maintaining a free and democratic civilization?

I have no answer to this question.

JCook said...

Dr. Keyes,

I'm re-running an interview I did with you last summer on www.RFDAmerica.com. I thought you might like to know.

Also, you might want to resize the video in the side bar. It overlaps into the text.

art said...

3/12/09

Obama’s Plan

I was watching Glenn Beck this evening and seen that he had a guest on that was on his show last week. The guest was a doctor that had started a plan for people to have affordable health care. All he required was a $79.00 monthly fee for his medical services including prescriptions. He was on Glenn’s show last week and said that the government had shut him down. This evening he was on Glenn Beck’s show again and said that after being on the Glenn beck show the first time the government had came to him and told him that he could operate again. The string attached for allowing him to operate again is that if the patient was sick he had to charge an additional $33.00 fee claiming that $79.00 was not enough to cover administration fees. The doctor does not want to charge these fees but is forced to by our government.
I can see as plain as day what Obama is up to. The last couple of nights Bill Clinton had been on the news talking up national health care. A man has come up with a good plan that makes sense but our government makes him charge more for sick patients for additional administration fees. Now think about this situation. When this health plan comes about there will be this wonderful chip that will eliminate this additional fee saving the taxpayer millions upon millions of dollars. It will also be said to save lives because precious time will be saved in a emergency situation. Obama and Clinton are talking this national health care up so people will be not only be willing but wanting to accept it, along with this verichip installation (while keeping his real final goal hidden). Our government wants a doctor to charge more because when this health care comes into affect there is the perfect excuse to have the verichip installed under the skin of everyone that is in the plan. It will eventually be mandatory for everyone. WHY??????? With this chip installed it will not have just your medical records in it but will also have your entire life history in it along with a GPS to track you and will also give the government total control of all of your finances and purchases.
This is why Obama has been throwing out all of these diversions. It is to keep people from figuring out exactly what he is up to. His ultimate goal is to have total control of this nation, all for the sake of Islam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The black people must know that Islam does not recognize the color of skin. Obama has used them for his own personal agenda!!!!!!
We must stop the national control system. Americans (of all color, black, white, red and yellow) need our freedom!!!!


Art

art said...

Sharee law

I just heard on fox news that now the government wants to stop sports in a school in North Carolina. This is just another share law about to take off!!!
I only heard of the story about certain banks imposing Sharee law one time and one time only. I guess the media has been forbidden to tell of this to the American citizens of this nation.
I copied and pasted an article from a web site for you to read. Sharee also affects government. It affects everything !!!!!!!!
This is what Obama is up to and the American people must and will be told. Please get the word out before it is too late!!!!
Art B Crouse PH-717-752-7681
sharia
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sharia law is for all mankind. It is codified in the holy Quran and authentic sayings and teachings of the final messenger and prophet Mohammed pbuh.
Shariah law covers everything in one’s daily life from eating and sleeping to politics and government.
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art said...

Watch the curve balls carefully!!!


Present Curve ball #1
Obama gives the appearance to the American public that he has inherited all our present problems from the prior administration when in fact he personally has helped to create it. Before his election he and a few of (what I call thugs) had rudely and uninvitedly attended a bankers meeting in Baltimore MD., and demanded that the banks give sub-prime loans to people that would not normally qualify including illegal immigrants. Then when the timing was right the price of gasoline sky rocketed causing many home foreclosures and a downward spiral of our economy. The price of gasoline will again go up drastically because the American people’s will have not yet been broken. It has been said that with any crisis there is opportunity. Well if a crisis is created then there would be opportunity for that individual. This was all part of his long term plan for the over through of the United States of America from within. I heard on the news this morning that Sharee Law is in some banks. Now let’s think about what has happened, why and what will happen. Our government has been trying to force banks to take our tax payers money even when they say they do not want or even need it. I ask why???? After banks take the money then they are required to abide by our governments existing rules and new rules and regulations to come. All this is performed in the smoke screen of goodness when in fact it is evil! His true and final goal for our total financial system is to impose Sharee law on us all claiming it will be the answer to our financial system! Our system has worked and would continue to work if our government would in all reality allow it to work. It cannot work because our leaders will not allow it to work because of the plan for the ultimate goal!

Present Curve Ball #2
National health care is also part of the master plan. With this national health care will also have a requirement of everyone to have verichip implanted under their skin. Why??? It will enable our now communist government to not only instantly see all our medical records but be tracked by gps and will also reveal exactly each individuals entire history and even if that person has ever said anything negative against him or his resigm. I have read this chip is already being used in the U.K. The computer will then tell the doctor what medication to administer. If you are a rebel in any sort of way you may be exterminated in such a way that will not be seen. Maybe a slow death by medication or with the false prognosis of a deadly illness or some other believable lie. This chip will also reveal if you are in accordance with Sharee law. If you are not then you will also be in very big trouble and will be, by their mouth a trader and a threat to the field of flowers and sunshine and goodness for all.

Present Curve Ball #3
Obama really wants wasteful spending because it prevents the people of this nation from focusing and seeing exactly what his ultimate goal is. If he did not want the wasteful spending he could easily stop it. It has to pass his desk before it becomes law. His trip to Ohio on Air Force One at $50,000.00 per hour to attend a ceremony for twenty five jobs created proves this. His trip could have paid for many of the new employee’s yearly salary!!!


Present Curve Ball #4
Stimulus plan is a joke. Federal money paid to the states probably means that affirmative action is in effect for job creation. That means a large portion must go to minorities to include illegal aliens!!!!


Present Curve Ball # 5
Obama has and is presently using the African American people and Hispanics for his personal backing to achieve his final goal when in reality he does not really care about them at all. The only thing he cares about is for the Islamic faith to be imposed and forced on everyone. The African Americans must some how learn of this before even their faith is stripped away in the name of false hope of goodness for all. He has deceived the African American community.


Present Curve Ball #6
Obama says he is against terrorist when in fact he supports it. He has given Hamas $900 million. Now they will have much more then rockets to fire on Israel. Israel had taken two months of rockets being fired on them before retaliating. Gaza Strip deserved it for doing evil. Obama rewards for doing evil because he is evil.


Present Curve Ball #7
Why does he have to have digital TV? TV was always just fine for me!! Digital sends direct signals while analog is scrambled. Digital will allow someone to see exactly what each individual is watching and at what time. I believe it will also enable some important news to be blocked instantly from being heard or viewed. We heard of a Pastor being shot in an Ohio church and I found it very strange that His name was being with held.

Present Curve Ball #8
Obama says he wants new energy. This is bullshit. He is just saying this to pacify many organizations to back him. Our government knows that we already have an alternative energy source in natural gas that will last us for enough years to come up with some other alternative. It would save in my opinion much of this economy. He does not want this economy to correct itself right now for the timing is off for his major laws to be mentioned and take effect!!!! He first has to break the backbone of the American people. Though the timing is not too far off!!




Present Curve Ball #9
Obama has created 300,000 jobs for illegal immigrants. This is a major curve ball so I believe something big is about to be introduced very soon. He is really trying to distract everyone’s thoughts from his true plan now.


Past Curve Ball #10
Obama’s legal citizenship was in question so I have copied and pasted an article. Note the date of Berg case

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Obama camp: Lawsuits by citizens are 'garbage'
Legal challenges spring up across U.S., demand proof of eligibility for office

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Posted: November 13, 2008
10:30 pm Eastern
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

More than a half-dozen legal challenges have been filed in federal and state courts demanding President-elect Barack Obama's decertification from ballots or seeking to halt elector meetings
, claiming he has failed to prove his U.S. citizenship status.
An Obama campaign spokeswoman told WND the complaints are unfounded.
"All I can tell you is that it is just pure garbage," she said. "There have been several lawsuits, but they have been dismissed."
WND is tracking the progress of many cases across the U.S., including the following:
Ohio
David M. Neal of Turtlecreek Township, Ohio, filed suit in Warren Common Pleas Court in October to force Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii, the Cincinnati Enquirer reported.
Warren County Magistrate Andrew Hasselbach denied Neal's request, saying, "The onus is upon one who challenges such public officer to demonstrate an abuse of discretion by admissible evidence – not hearsay, conclusory allegations or pure speculation."
Connecticut
Connecticut resident Cort Wrotnowski challenged the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate on Oct. 31, and asked the court to order Secretary of State Susan Bysiewicz to verify Obama's citizenship before allowing the candidate to appear on the state ballot. State Supreme Court Chief Justice Chase T. Rogers threw out the case for lack of jurisdiction within a half hour of reviewing it.
"I have not seen the ruling yet," Wrotnowski told WND. "So, in reality, the case was not heard on its merits. … Currently, we are assembling information for another and better try."
Washington
As WND reported earlier, Steven Marquis of Fall City, Wash., filed suit Oct. 9 in Washington State Superior Court, calling for Secretary of State Sam Reed to determine whether Obama is a citizen before Election Day. Marquis released a statement saying the state has the authority to "prevent the wholesale disenfranchisement of voters" who might have otherwise had the opportunity to choose a qualified candidate should records show Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen.
Marquis said Obama's Hawaii birth certificate isn't evidence that the president-elect is a natural-born citizen because it doesn't reveal the hospital where Obama was born, a doctor's name or the baby's footprint, the Associated Press reported.
Superior Court Judge John Erlick dismissed the lawsuit, claiming the secretary of state does not have authority to inquire about Obama's birth certificate. He also said Marquis failed to name Obama as a party to the lawsuit.
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New Jersey
In Leo C. Donofrio v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey, retired attorney and New Jersey resident Leo. C. Donofrio asked the U.S. Supreme Court for an emergency stay on Nov. 3 prohibiting three candidates from appearing on New Jersey's ballots: Republican candidate John McCain, Democratic candidate Barack Obama and Socialist Worker's Party candidate Roger Calero.
Donofrio claimed the candidates are not "natural born citizens" as enumerated in Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, which states, "No person except a natural born citizen of the United States, at the time of adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President."
He wrote, Obama is not eligible for the presidency "even if it were proved he was born in Hawaii, since … Senator Obama's father was born in Kenya and therefore, having been born with split and competing loyalties, candidate Obama is not a 'natural born citizen' …"
"Republican candidate John McCain was born in Panama," the request states. "Socialist Workers Party candidate Roger Calero was born in Nicaragua. And the birthplace of Democratic candidate Barack Obama has not been verified by Respondent."
Donofrio said Panama has never been considered U.S. soil, and that McCain is merely a citizen at birth by statute, and not a "natural born citizen."
With three ineligible presidential candidates on ballots, Donofrio warned, New Jersey voters will "witness firsthand the fraud their electoral process has become."
Justice David Souter denied Donofrio's application on Nov. 6. However, his case is still pending as an emergency stay application. Donofrio is resubmitting his request for an emergency stay of the national election results and Electoral College meeting to Justice Clarence Thomas.
(Story continues below)

Pennsylvania
As WND reported earlier, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court three months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen.
Berg claimed that by failing to respond Obama has legally "admitted" to the lawsuit's accusations, including the charge that the Democratic candidate was born in Mombosa, Kenya.
U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick dismissed Berg's argument on Oct, 24, ruling that he lacked standing to bring the case. He said Berg's allegations were "too vague and too attenuated."
"This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution," Berg told Jeff Schreiber of America's Right blog. "If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be president of the United States – the commander in chief, the most powerful person in the world – then who does?"
Berg filed a writ of certiorari in the U.S. Supreme Court on Oct.30, to force Obama to produce his birth certificate. Justice David Souter rejected an emergency appeal on Nov. 3, for the court to halt the tabulation of the 2008 presidential election results until Obama documented his eligibility to run for office. However, Souter set a schedule for a response from Obama, the DNC and all co-defendants on or before Dec. 1.
"I look forward to receiving Defendant Obama's response to the Writ and am hopeful the U.S. Supreme Court will review Berg v. Obama," Berg wrote in a Nov. 7 statement. "I believe Mr. Obama is not a consitutionally-qualified natural-born citizen and is ineligible to assume the office of the President of the United States."
Georgia
Rev. Tom Terry of Atlanta, Ga., appealed to the Georgia Supreme Court the day before the election to determine authenticity of Obama's original birth certificate and his qualifications to be president.
"I bear no personal ill will against Barack Obama," Terry, an independent, said in a statement. "In fact, his election solely on the basis as the first African-American president-elect is a very positive thing for our nation. However, as an American, I have very grave concerns about Mr. Obama's possible divided loyalties since he has strenuously and vigorously fought every request and every legal effort to force him to release his original birth certificate for public review and scrutiny. I think that is significant."
On Oct 24, Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter denied Terry's request for an injunction against Secretary of State Karen Handel.
"I don't think you have standing to bring this suit," he said. "I think that the attorney general has argued the law. I think he is correct. I think you are not a lawyer."
Terry is appealing his suit even though Obama didn't win Georgia because he said he wants to set an example for other states. He is asking the court to direct Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel to decertify all votes for Obama.
"Hopefully, this action will be noticed by other states and they will also take a serious look at the meaning of Georgia's Supreme Court's actions," he said. "It is apropos that the Latin motto in the Georgia Supreme Court is interpreted: 'Let justice be done, though the heavens fall.' I think if the Court rules in my favor, that motto will come alive with meaning and impact."
Hawaii
On Oct. 17, Andy Martin filed a writ of mandamus in Hawaii's Supreme Court to compel Gov. Linda Lingle to release a certified copy of Obama's vital statistics record. His request to expedite the circuit court was denied on Oct. 22.
Martin now has a pending case seeking access to Obama's original 1961 typewritten birth certificate. The circuit court hearing is set to begin Nov. 18.
The saga continues …
Several unconfirmed reports also indicate that citizens of Utah, Wyoming, Florida, New York, North Carolina, Texas, California and Virginia have also filed lawsuits or requested court orders to verify Obama's citizenship status.
As reported earlier, WND senior investigative reporter Jerome Corsi traveled both to Kenya and Hawaii to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth.
But his discoveries only raised more questions.
The governor's office in Hawaii said he had a valid certificate but rejected requests for access and left ambiguous its origin – leaving some to wonder if the certificate on file with the Department of Health indicates a Hawaiian birth or whether it was generated after the Obama family registered a Kenyan birth in Hawaii.
The Obama campaign posted a certification of live birth, a document stating the baby was born on Aug. 4, 1961. However, according to the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands, there is a difference between the two documents. A certification of live birth is not an authentication of Hawaiian birth, and critics say the procedure could have allowed Obama's mother to have the baby elsewhere, return to the U.S. and obtain the document in Hawaii.
The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands makes a distinction between the two:
In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.
However, Andy Martin has specifically requested verification of the original 1961 type-written certificate of live birth – or, as the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands describes it, the "more complete record" of Obama's birth.
Further adding to complications, Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro, has named two different Hawaii hospitals where Obama could have been born. In a November 2004 interview with the Rainbow Newsletter, Maya told reporters her half-brother Sen. Barack Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961, at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu; then in February 2008, Maya told reporters for the Honolulu Star-Bulletin that Obama was at the Kapiolani Medical Center for Women and Children.
But a video posted on YouTube features Obama's Kenyan grandmother Sarah claiming to have witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya.
Seeking to settle the issue, Hawaii Department of Health Director Director Chiyome Fukino released an Oct. 31 statement saying, "State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
The statement does not clarify whether "the record" is a certification of live birth or a Hawaiian certificate of live birth.
Before the election, WND retained a top private investigator in Hawaii with extensive FBI training and tasked him with visiting both the Queens Medical Center and the Kaliolani Medical Center to investigate claims that Obama birth certificates existed at either hospital.
However, the private investigator reported that sheriff's deputies were stationed at both hospitals to fend off press inquiries about Obama's birth certificate.
When WND asked the Obama campaign spokeswoman why Obama simply hasn't released the original 1961 certificate of live birth to make the lawsuits go away, she replied, "I have no idea. I think they released what they chose to release, and Hawaii has confirmed that he was born in Hawaii, so I don't know what else you want."

ANOTHER ARTICLE
UPDATE 5: Obama’s Trip to Hawaii to ‘Visit Grandma’ is really to fight the suit
October 29th, 2008
Andy Martin recently filed suit in Hawaii demanding that the State turn over Obama’s Birth Certificate, His claim is that Obama is really in Hawaii to fight the suit.
Source Israel Insider ”Barack H. Obama II has suspended his involvement in his campaign for at least two days to go to Hawaii, purportedly to visit his ailing grandmother.
But the sudden trip to the 50th state coincides with an aggressive campaign by Obama nemesis Andy Martin to legally compel Hawaiian authorities to release birth records that Obama has refused to make public. And, in a separate Federal Circuit Court case filed by Philip Berg in Pennsylvania to force Obama and the Democratic National Committee to prove that the candidate is in fact a ”natural born citizen,” Obama and the DNC have failed to respond within a federally-mandated 30 day period, opening the door to a procedural argument that failure to respond represents an admission of the plaintiff’s claims that the Democratic nominee is a Kenyan and/or Indonesian citizen, but not a ”natural born” citizen of the United States.
The sudden Obama decision to visit Hawaii has triggered broad skepticism, coming as it does in the critical last two week of the close election campaign. Obama’s 85-year-old maternal grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was first brought into the campaign when he sought to show that she, as a ”typical white woman”, held what the candidate claimed were racist fears of aggressive black men. He brought her up in the context of saying that he could not disown her — despite her alleged racism — any more than he could disown his pastor of twenty years, Jeremiah Wright. Obama visited her only very briefly during his summer vacation in Hawaii, and he didn’t visit her when she was in a Honolulu hospital last week. There is no indication that her condition is life-threatening.
But Andy Martin, an anti-Obama columnist, says the real reason for Obama’s emergency trip is to stop his own pursuit of birth records, including an emergency writ to the Hawaii Supreme Court to request expedited handling after a previous filing to demand that the State’s Department of Health release the records. ”Obama did not pay any attention to his grandmother until I showed up in Honolulu,” he wrote in an email. ”Suddenly she is the center of his attention. She is so central to his campaign that he has suspended it! But when Obama was here last summer he only visited his grandmother for an hour. One hour! Now he suspends his campaign for her?”
The Berg-initiated legal action is also pressing the Obama campaign. On September 15, as part of his federal lawsuit contending that the Illinois senator is ineligible, pursuant to the U.S. Constitution, to serve as president of the United States, Philadelphia attorney Philip Berg served Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee with a request for admission, which, on October 6, Barack Obama and the DNC acknowledged getting but then attempted to persuade the court to stay discovery and to dismiss the suit. However, Federal Rules require that a response to a request for admissions be served within the 30-day time limit, and Barack Obama and the DNC have not done so.
Therefore, this morning, Berg is filing two motions in district court in Philadelphia: a motion requesting an immediate order deeming his request for admissions served upon Barack Obama and the DNC on September 15 admitted by default, and a motion requesting an expedited ruling and/or hearing on Bergs motion deeming the request for admissions served upon Obama and the DNC admitted. Berg contends that the failure to respond and serve the response within the time limit is ”damning.”
”They did not file answers or objections or anything else to the request for admissions we served upon them on September 15,” Berg said. ”They knew the admissions were due. They knew they must object or answer specifically in 30 days. Here, they did nothing.”
The admissions that Berg asserts Barack Obama and the DNC have, at least procedurally, admitted to, include the following:
-Admit you were born in Kenya .
-Admit you are a Kenya ”natural born” citizen.
-Admit your foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii .
-Admit your father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr., admitted Paternity of you.
-Admit your mother gave birth to you in Mombasa , Kenya .
-Admit your mother’s maiden name is Stanley Ann Dunham a/k/a Ann Dunham.
-Admit the COLB [Certification of Live Birth] posted on the website ”Fightthesmears.com” is a forgery.
-Admit you were adopted by a Foreign Citizen.
-Admit you were adopted by Lolo Soetoro, M.A. a citizen of Indonesia .
-Admit you were not born in Hawaii .
-Admit you are a citizen of Indonesia .
-Admit you never took the ”Oath of Allegiance” to regain your U.S. Citizenship status.
-Admit you are not a ”natural born” United States citizen.
-Admit your senior campaign staff is aware you are not a ”natural born” United States Citizen.
-Admit the United States Constitution does not allow for a Person to hold the office of President of the United States unless that person is a ”natural born” United States citizen.
-Admit you are ineligible pursuant to the United States Constitution to serve as President and/or Vice President of the United States.
It is not at all clear that the actions by Berg in Federal court and Martin in Hawaii will be ruled on before the election, but both men have vowed to pursue their cases even after the election if necessary. Berg has said that he would drop his case if Obama simply provides documentary proof of his birth, but to date the candidate has not done so, instead releasing only images of a purported ”certification of live birth” to the partisan Daily Kos blog and the sympathetic FactCheck web site.



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Barack Obama's grandmother, whose personality and bearing shaped much of the life of the Democratic presidential contender, has died, Obama announced Monday, one day before the election.

Madelyn Payne Dunham was 86. Obama announced the news from the campaign trail in North Carolina. The joint statement with his sister Maya Soetoro-Ng said Dunham died peacefully late Sunday night after a battle with cancer.

They said: "She was the cornerstone of our family, and a woman of extraordinary accomplishment, strength, and humility. She was the person who encouraged and allowed us to take chances."

Obama learned of her death Monday morning while he was campaigning in Jacksonville, Fla. He planned to go ahead with campaign appearances. The family said a private ceremony would be held later.

Republican John McCain issued condolences to his opponent. "Our thoughts and prayers go out to them as they remember and celebrate the life of someone who had such a profound impact in their lives," the statement by John and Cindy McCain said.

Last month, Obama took a break from campaigning and flew to Hawaii to be with Dunham as her health declined.

Obama said the decision to go to Hawaii was easy to make, telling CBS that he "got there too late" when his mother died of ovarian cancer in 1995 at 53, and wanted to make sure "that I don't make the same mistake twice."

The Kansas-born Dunham and her husband, Stanley, raised their grandson for several years so he could attend school in Honolulu while their daughter and her second husband lived overseas. Her influence on Obama's manner and the way he viewed the world was substantial, the candidate himself told millions watching him accept his party's nomination in Denver in August.

"She's the one who taught me about hard work," he said. "She's the one who put off buying a new car or a new dress for herself so that I could have a better life. She poured everything she had into me."

Obama's nickname for his grandmother was "Toot," a version of the Hawaiian word for grandmother, tutu. Many of his speeches describe her working on a bomber assembly line during World War II.

Madelyn and Stanley Dunham married in 1940, a few weeks before she graduated from high school. Their daughter, Stanley Ann, was born in 1942. After several moves to and from California, Texas, Washington and Kansas, Stanley Dunham's job landed the family in Hawaii.

It was there that Stanley Ann later met and fell in love with Obama's father, a Kenyan named Barack Hussein Obama Sr. They had met in Russian class at the University of Hawaii. Their son was born in August 1961, but the marriage didn't last long. She later married an Indonesian, Lolo Soetoro, another university student she met in Hawaii.

Obama moved to Indonesia with his mother and stepfather at age 6. But in 1971, her mother sent him back to Hawaii to live with her parents. He stayed with the Dunhams until he graduated from high school in 1979.

In his autobiography, Obama wrote fondly of playing basketball on a court below his grandparents' 10th-floor Honolulu apartment, and looking up to see his grandmother watching.

It was the same apartment Obama visited on annual holiday trips to Hawaii, a weeklong vacation from his campaign in August, and his pre-election visit in October. Family members said his grandmother could not travel because of her health.

Madelyn Dunham, who took university classes but to her chagrin never earned a degree, nonetheless rose from a secretarial job at the Bank of Hawaii to become one of the state's first female bank vice presidents.

"Every morning, she woke up at 5 a.m. and changed from the frowsy muumuus she wore around the apartment into a tailored suit and high-heeled pumps," Obama wrote.

After her health took a turn for the worse, her brother said on Oct. 21 that she had already lived long enough to see her "Barry" achieve what she'd wanted for him.

"I think she thinks she was important in raising a fine young man," Charles Payne, 83, said in a brief telephone interview from his Chicago home. "I doubt if it would occur to her that he would go this far this fast. But she's enjoyed watching it."

Stanley Dunham died in 1992, while Obama's mother died in 1995. His father is also deceased.

When Obama was young, he and his grandmother toured the United States by Greyhound bus, stopping at the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone Park, Disneyland and Chicago, where Obama would years later settle.

It was an incident during his teenage years that became one of Obama's most vivid memories of Toot. She had been aggressively panhandled by a man and she wanted her husband to take her to work. When Obama asked why, his grandfather said Madelyn Dunham was bothered because the panhandler was black.

The words hit the biracial Obama "like a fist in my stomach," he wrote later. He was sure his grandparents loved him deeply. "And yet," he added, "I knew that men who might easily have been my brothers could still inspire their rawest fears."

Obama referred to the incident again when he addressed race in a speech in March during a controversy over his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. "I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother," he said.

Dunham was "a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world but who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her on the street."

Still, much of who Obama is comes from his grandmother, said his half sister.

"From our grandmother, he gets his pragmatism, his levelheadedness, his ability to stay centered in the eye of the story," she told The Associated Press. "His sensible, no-nonsense (side) is inherited from her."

Madelyn Lee Payne was born to Rolla and Leona Payne in October, 1922, in Peru, Kan., but lived much of her childhood in nearby Augusta.

She was the oldest of four children, and she loved to read everything from James Hilton's "Lost Horizon" to Agatha Christie's "The Murder of Roger Ackroyd."

Dunham and her husband were "vicious" bridge players, according to her brother Jack. After retirement, the two of them would take island cruises and do little but play bridge and a more difficult version called duplicate bridge.
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DO YOU SEE WHAT HE DID?????? He had all of America believing that out of the goodness of his heart he was visiting his grandmother when in reality he was in Hawaii for his court hearing!!!!!!!!!!! The question that I have is this. Is his grandmother still alive?? If she did die, did he have her killed for the perfect excuse to go to Hawaii for just two days making the American people think he is caring enough to leave his campaign for moral purposes!!!. If I loved a family member as much as he says he loved his grandmother then I certainly would visit more then just two days and the time spent would be with and for that person and no time would be spent going to court for my own personal agenda!!!!! He always makes things seem good when in fact it is very, very evil!!!!
We must watch the curve balls very carefully and not allow us to be distracted by all of them. He has caused the media to spread so much news in so many different directions that no one can keep their eye on the ball that he is really throwing at us. We must stay focused at his true agenda and possess the capability of seeing right through the smoke screens that he creates to blind us. If we cannot learn to do this very soon and with unity then the Christians, Jews, Buddist and anyone not believing in Islam will be in very big immediate trouble. This trouble will be more severe then just the economic pressures that we all are facing now and in the future!!!! I have a plan to hit every curve ball that he is throwing. We must talk as soon as possible. Art B. C

art said...

Mr. Keyes,
I had talked with you before on the telephone conference call that you used to have and at that time you really did not believe in what I had to say. I hope now that you can see the things that I had to say at that time. I have much more to say if you will hear of it. We are on the same side with the very same beliefs and the will to fight for what is right for the sake of all. Years ago, I used to be a democrat, but it seems as if they have gone so far out into left field that I really cannot see that far. I am not republican either. I am a patriotic American!
All of our politicians are showing the American people that they have no answer or even a direction for the problems that is facing the nation at this time. The stimulus (spending bill) has no substantial long term answer or even a direction. It is only a very small temporary band-aid with absolutely no growth potential and longevity even for the very little stimulus to the economy that it creates.
The Clinton years were not so prosperous because of his policies but because it was an era of the home computer age. It was something new, something exciting and everyone wanted and purchased a home computer which in turn created many more jobs in all specters of the free market. Government did not create these jobs. Working people created them. This proves that a good strong economy relies on the working people and not government.
I have come up with an idea and a detailed plan that has a positive direction that I believe will do the same for the economy as the computer era did for the Clinton years.
This plan will create millions of jobs in all areas from manufacturing to housing and retail. Another good thing about this plan is that it will not cost the taxpayer one dime!!! It will save thousands of businesses from default. This plan will need to offer an estimated 50 billion dollar loan (not to me) that will be paid back. It will give a concrete footing for the working people to once again prosper on our own without too much government intervention. It will allow our country to prospered and flourish as it has done in history. The way our fore fathers intended it to be. Our free economy just needs a kick start and then be left alone to grow and prosper without chains.
I will list exactly what this plan will do:

1- It will restore the faith and confidence in the Republican Party to the American people because they will show the American people that they have an answer with a positive direction and a goal.

2-It will create millions of jobs throughout this nation.

3- It will be hard for Democrats to fight this because much of this plan is exactly what they have been supposedly fighting for. If they do not support it then it will only shown their true colors to the American people and they will self destruct!!!!!

4- It will save individuals much money in the long term. People will invest if they know their investment will save them money.

5- It will stimulate this economy immediately. Not months and years from now!!

6- It will bring the cost of retail goods and food down allowing people to have more money to spend for the things they want (including houses) and not just for the things that they need!

7- It will help to restore confidence in the American people that has been lost in our government.

8- It will give the American people true hope and excitement knowing that there is a much brighter future for us all. (End Depression)

9- It will not just stimulate this economy on the short term basis but will last for many years with prosperous growth.

10- It will prevent a much greater depression then what is coming very soon.

11- It will give the American people the feeling of freedom, hope and confidence in the free market that we need, want and long for.

12- If and when you hear of this plan and decide to try to in-act it. It will put you on the front line of this battle with the backing of many, many American people and politicians.

With this plan it will boost you above all others for they have no direction, common sense or even what many Americans are saying, a purpose.

I know that your schedule is very busy but I would like to meet with you to give you a basic insight of this plan (20 minutes). If in fact you feel that it has substance then I will go into more detail. I think you will find it worth pursuing. Proper planning and timing must be set for this plan to be revealed to be successful among the American people because the democrats will come up with something facetious with it even though it is what they have been wanting and showing the American people the things that they stand for.

JohnADavison said...

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This is very important because not only is Obama now going to be on trial but so is the Supreme Court. I often wondered which of the four presumably conservative judges failed to complete the necessary four required. We may never know.

tjmarz said...

(normandie, june 1944)

like religion
are the waves
the smell is still
of grease water
mixed
can't see anything
but a thick
machine grey steel door
that jabs at the sky
like a bayonet
fighting to be
the victor of grey
this is a drop
door to hell
in the surf
lady freedoms wears
a french bikini
white
as the crosses
in st. laurent

-tj marz

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smrstrauss said...

Re: “But a video posted on YouTube features Obama's Kenyan grandmother Sarah claiming to have witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya.”

That is not true. She can be heard clearly saying that Obama was born in Hawaii on this tape. You have to listen to the full tape, her answer “Hawaii, America” comes after she is asked the clear question: “Whereabouts was he born?” at about 5 minutes into the tape. To hear the full recording of the Obama grandmother interview, go to: ?” http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/independent-grandmother-transcript/ (Click on full Sarah Obama Tape.)

Her answer Yes to the question “was she present WHEN he was born?” is not clear since it does not ask was she present at the PLACE where he was born but simply was she present at the time when he was born, which may be ambiguous in a foreign language. She is Obama’s STEP grandmother, so she could have interpreted the question as was she a member of the family when he was born.

The only clear question was “Whereabouts was he born?” And she answers “Hawaii, America”—which fits with the fact that Obama senior was studying there and with the official birth certificate from Hawaii which lists his place of birth as Honolulu.

Re: The statement does not clarify whether "the record" is a certification of live birth or a Hawaiian certificate of live birth.

A Hawaiian certificate of live birth is restricted to people who are racially Hawaiian, or at least partially Hawaiian by race. Moreover, in 1961 Hawaii did not register foreign births. Therefore the official was saying that the original birth certificate in the file was an ordinary Hawaiian birth certificate showing birth in Honolulu. Why? Because it could not be anything else. Nothing else could be in the file, not a late birth certificate (it wasn't late), not a foreign birth certificate (Hawaii did not take them at the time), and not a Hawaiian certificate since Obama is not even partially a native Hawaiian>

Bottom line: NO proof that he was born in Kenya, legal proof that he was born in Hawaii.

chiu_chunling said...

That's not exactly "legal proof", not to the standard of demonstrating that a person refusing to obey laws or regulations authorized by Obama would be guilty of a crime beyond reasonable doubt.

I am not of the opinion that Obama's birth certificate, if ever properly examined, is likely to reveal anything of any interest whatsoever. There are trillions of dollars at stake here, it seems unlikely that the interests responsible for Obama's ascension to the presidency would not move to insure that their puppet continue in office. If they are indeed playing such a subtle game as to find advantage in a Constitutional crisis disqualifying the first black president (though that honor was previously appropriated) from office, I don't see any benefit from uncovering the document.

But those committed to defending the Constitution must fight the battles dictated by the enemy's attacks. Obama has, by his refusal to submit to this simple query into his authority under the Constitution (as well as other well documented acts in his public life), demonstrated a desire to subvert the Constitution at every turn. Whether he blundered into making such an attack or has calculated some gain (and several possibilities come to mind), such a bold advance must be resisted.

I fear that this defense is doomed to fail, whether due to the enemy's power or craft. But a forlorn hope sometimes becomes the duty of those who propose to enter into any just war. If it is ever worth fighting to defend America, then even the hopeless battles must be contested sharply. The Founding Fathers of America pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor. Those who would follow them can do no less, and whatever the outcome of this contest, I will take joy in the fact that there are some who have understood and accepted that burden.

I, who may give none of these things to the defense of a nation I love, will not speak against those who do so.

larry white said...

Wherever you are, chiu_chunling, your principled eloquence is appreciated here, on this worthiest of blogs.

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